Todd Cordell: Three Calgary Flames players who will benefit from Troy Brouwer's departure

Did we sign Noah yet?

Did we sign Noah yet?
- Squilliam-

soon

soon
- ToddCordellCGY

Have we traded for Erik Karlsson & Brady Tkachuk yet?

Honest question:

What would be your guys’ reaction if Tkachuk was used as the main piece to get EK65?

Honest question:

What would be your guys’ reaction if Tkachuk was used as the main piece to get EK65?
- Saskabush

I’d be pretty upset about it but I could learn to live with it depending on how well EK plays.

Honest question:

What would be your guys’ reaction if Tkachuk was used as the main piece to get EK65?
- Saskabush

Never happen! Tre & Peters are mega high on Matty & no way do we part with him for 1 year of EK. He's a 1 year rental why give up our future captain for a 1 year rental?

Honest question:

What would be your guys’ reaction if Tkachuk was used as the main piece to get EK65?
- Saskabush

I would be super pissed! furious! Tkachuk does way too many things for this team- to be honest i think I would have to beat the crap out of IggysBFF

Not a fan of the EK for MT trade proposal... Especially with a stable full of defensemen in the minors that are very close to NHL ready (or at least ready to be tested in the NHL). If we traded MT who could slide into the top 6 Left wing and preform at a similar level as MT?

Has there been any rumblings of Brouwer signing anywhere?

Feel he's the guy that is going to do the best from this if he can find a place to play.

Not a fan of the EK for MT trade proposal... Especially with a stable full of defensemen in the minors that are very close to NHL ready (or at least ready to be tested in the NHL). If we traded MT who could slide into the top 6 Left wing and preform at a similar level as MT?
- buddy_doug

Trade one of those d-men in that full stable for a LW.

Kid's a player, but you are making that trade 10 out of 10 times if he's the main piece.

I don't see him waiving to go to Calgary or any other Canadian team though.

Never happen! Tre & Peters are mega high on Matty & no way do we part with him for 1 year of EK. He's a 1 year rental why give up our future captain for a 1 year rental?
- Kevin R

We were pretty high on Dougie Hamilton too... I love Tkachuk, and I would be pretty disappointed to see him go. But I can't help but think adding an elite (top 5) player will do more to push us into cup contention status than Tkachuk could.

Not saying I'd be in favour of the deal, but if a deal were built around us sending Stone and Tkachuk back..

Johnny Money Neal
Bennett Backlund Lindholm
Frolik Janko Czarnik
Hath/Lazar Ryan Foo/Dube/Mang

Gio Brodie
Karlsson Hanifin
Valimaki/Anderson Hamonic

That should give us 2 of the best pairs in hockey (assuming Brodie has a resurgence). The price is high, but that top 6 would be nuts

I could also see Ottawa trying to force us to take Ryan back in the deal. If we could get some salary retained I wouldn't really be against that either. Bobby Ryan should be able to put up some decent numbers in a 3RW role.

Honest question:

What would be your guys’ reaction if Tkachuk was used as the main piece to get EK65?
- Saskabush

Hanifin's already supposed to be the next EK, remember?

We were pretty high on Dougie Hamilton too... I love Tkachuk, and I would be pretty disappointed to see him go. But I can't help but think adding an elite (top 5) player will do more to push us into cup contention status than Tkachuk could.

Not saying I'd be in favour of the deal, but if a deal were built around us sending Stone and Tkachuk back..

Johnny Money Neal
Bennett Backlund Lindholm
Frolik Janko Czarnik
Hath/Lazar Ryan Foo/Dube/Mang

Gio Brodie
Karlsson Hanifin
Valimaki/Anderson Hamonic

That should give us 2 of the best pairs in hockey (assuming Brodie has a resurgence). The price is high, but that top 6 would be nuts

I could also see Ottawa trying to force us to take Ryan back in the deal. If we could get some salary retained I wouldn't really be against that either. Bobby Ryan should be able to put up some decent numbers in a 3RW role.
- Saskabush

Ok, you must have had a pretty darn good long weekend lots of drugs, sex booze & rocknroll. Thats cool but really you need to have a few triple expressos to think you would trade a 20 year old future franchise player that plays with grit & high IQ & the future of what we want as a power forward for 1 year of a great Dman who you will need to give at least a 7 year $77million dollar extension to just to keep him & who has said he would only sign an early extension for Tampa bay.& he will be "29 years
old" when that exorbitant contract starts. Cmon man, seriously, you would do that trade & has nothing to do with Dougie Hamilton. Yeah so what, I liked Dougie, I didnt like what kind of flake he became & what he did to our dressing room.

Ok, you must have had a pretty darn good long weekend lots of drugs, sex booze & rocknroll. Thats cool but really you need to have a few triple expressos to think you would trade a 20 year old future franchise player that plays with grit & high IQ & the future of what we want as a power forward for 1 year of a great Dman who you will need to give at least a 7 year $77million dollar extension to just to keep him & who has said he would only sign an early extension for Tampa bay.& he will be "29 years
old" when that exorbitant contract starts. Cmon man, seriously, you would do that trade & has nothing to do with Dougie Hamilton. Yeah so what, I liked Dougie, I didnt like what kind of flake he became & what he did to our dressing room.
- Kevin R

-Well, obviously you would sign him to a Tavares/Doughty like contract. Unless Ottawa waits until the TDL to trade him I doubt Karlsson is traded as a rental.

-Flake? He was one of our best players down the stretch. Save the whole "Dougie's bad in the dressing room bullpoop for butthurt Bruin fans--there hasn't been a single report to suggest Dougie was a problem in the dressing room.

-Tkachuk is a great player, and I'd be sad to see him go. Cup contending teams are in the middle of an arms race. If we want to be able to keep up with all the teams that already have multiple superstars on their roster (Toronto, Tampa, Pit, Wpg).

-Johnny is the only player we have that is close to Karlsson's talent level. In the playoffs I think it's these type of players that push a team over the edge when you are battling through a 7 game series.

Ok, you must have had a pretty darn good long weekend lots of drugs, sex booze & rocknroll. Thats cool but really you need to have a few triple expressos to think you would trade a 20 year old future franchise player that plays with grit & high IQ & the future of what we want as a power forward for 1 year of a great Dman who you will need to give at least a 7 year $77million dollar extension to just to keep him & who has said he would only sign an early extension for Tampa bay.& he will be "29 years
old" when that exorbitant contract starts. Cmon man, seriously, you would do that trade & has nothing to do with Dougie Hamilton. Yeah so what, I liked Dougie, I didnt like what kind of flake he became & what he did to our dressing room.
- Kevin R

Honest question, do you really describe Tkachuk as a "future franchise player"? Is it just a matter of difference of definition for the term "franchise"?

Honest question, do you really describe Tkachuk as a "future franchise player"? Is it just a matter of difference of definition for the term "franchise"?
- MaximumBone

I think Tkachuk will be a legit top line winger. Franchise player might be a bit of a stretch. He's very good, but if he is the best player on your team, your team probably has some problems.

-Well, obviously you would sign him to a Tavares/Doughty like contract. Unless Ottawa waits until the TDL to trade him I doubt Karlsson is traded as a rental.

-Flake? He was one of our best players down the stretch. Save the whole "Dougie's bad in the dressing room bullpoop for butthurt Bruin fans--there hasn't been a single report to suggest Dougie was a problem in the dressing room.

-Tkachuk is a great player, and I'd be sad to see him go. Cup contending teams are in the middle of an arms race. If we want to be able to keep up with all the teams that already have multiple superstars on their roster (Toronto, Tampa, Pit, Wpg).

-Johnny is the only player we have that is close to Karlsson's talent level. In the playoffs I think it's these type of players that push a team over the edge when you are battling through a 7 game series.
- Saskabush

Ok, you can believe me or not, really dont care because I would bet $$$ Tkachuk would never ever ever be traded 1-1 in this scenario. I do have legit intel about DH's behavior & attitude after his brother was put on waivers. His lack of "give a fck" reverberated throughout the dressing room. He missed team functions but what sealed his fate out of town was missing the yearend meetings & interviews. Take what you want from that, I dont care.

So I look at your line up projection & I do hope you remember that there is a salary cap & how in God's green earth are you going to resign EK to a Doughty or Tavares deal & keep that projected line up?

You are willing to trade Tkachuk 20 years old & you have only seen the tip of what this kid could do? He got 50+ points playing with Backlund & Frolik & getting very little PP time. Im shocked we are having this debate. But thats ok, I like & usually agree with most of your posts but this one we can agree to disagree.

I think Tkachuk will be a legit top line winger. Franchise player might be a bit of a stretch. He's very good, but if he is the best player on your team, your team probably has some problems.
- Saskabush

I have no qualms with his potential as a top line winger (vague as the term may be), but the franchise title is something I typically withhold for all but the best. Tough to delineate where the cut-off is exactly but I'd say a teenage player who steps into the league as a dominant force and builds on that dominance through his career. Guys like McDavid, Crosby/Malkin, Ovechkin, Kane and Matthews.

However, by that definition only Doughty and maybe Provorov, McAvoy and Werenski really qualify among current Dmen. Maybe a different set of expectations is needed for Dmen so the term can include the Karlssons and Hedmans of the world.

Honest question, do you really describe Tkachuk as a "future franchise player"? Is it just a matter of difference of definition for the term "franchise"?
- MaximumBone

He's not a McDavid generational level talent (for definition's sake). I think Tkachuk is potentially a future captain and potential best all around player for the Flames - if he can get the dirty stuff under control.

He's likely this generation's Corey Perry - we'll see if he has the degree of scoring touch that Corey has had throughout his career.

You are willing to trade Tkachuk 20 years old & you have only seen the tip of what this kid could do? He got 50+ points playing with Backlund & Frolik & getting very little PP time. Im shocked we are having this debate. But thats ok, I like & usually agree with most of your posts but this one we can agree to disagree.
- Kevin R

Just a peripheral comment here but Tkachuk had more PP time per game than McDavid did last year (2:59/gm Vs 2:58/gm). He was a regular on the PP.

He's not a McDavid generational level talent (for definition's sake). I think Tkachuk is potentially a future captain and potential best all around player for the Flames - if he can get the dirty stuff under control.

He's likely this generation's Corey Perry - we'll see if he has the degree of scoring touch that Corey has had throughout his career.
- rmull905

Probably an accurate assessment of his potential; I'm just not of the belief that Perry deserves the "franchise" tag. Really just a matter of opinion on how to use the term, but it's interesting to see how others view/use it.

Honest question, do you really describe Tkachuk as a "future franchise player"? Is it just a matter of difference of definition for the term "franchise"?
- MaximumBone

Honest answer, yes!! The kid scored almost 50 points in his first two seasons, gets under the skin of opposing teams & has a great penalty differential, has amazing hockey IQ & did it on our "checking line" against low OZ starts & top competition. He did with two guys that rarely come close to scoring 50 points & not known to be offensive players. I was really hoping Tre gets him extended to a 7 year deal around Gaudreaus current salary because the kid is going to be getting top PP time this year & have either Neal or Lindholm as his RW & whether its Backlund or Janko at centre, the kid is going to have a monster year. I expect a 65+ point year out of him.

He wants to win & will do whatever it takes. Fck getting EK, I would be ecstatic if we could pry his brother Brady out of the Sens.

Honest question for you:
Oilers would really benefit from getting an EK. More than the Flames would. But if he wouldnt commit to resigning with the Oilers, & seeing you would have to move salary to even have a hope of resigning him, would you give up Nuge & Nurse for him for 1 year or even Draisatl + a pick for him for 1 year?

Honest answer, yes!! The kid scored almost 50 points in his first two seasons, gets under the skin of opposing teams & has a great penalty differential, has amazing hockey IQ & did it on our "checking line" against low OZ starts & top competition. He did with two guys that rarely come close to scoring 50 points & not known to be offensive players. I was really hoping Tre gets him extended to a 7 year deal around Gaudreaus current salary because the kid is going to be getting top PP time this year & have either Neal or Lindholm as his RW & whether its Backlund or Janko at centre, the kid is going to have a monster year. I expect a 65+ point year out of him.

He wants to win & will do whatever it takes. Fck getting EK, I would be ecstatic if we could pry his brother Brady out of the Sens.

Honest question for you:
Oilers would really benefit from getting an EK. More than the Flames would. But if he wouldnt commit to resigning with the Oilers, & seeing you would have to move salary to even have a hope of resigning him, would you give up Nuge & Nurse for him for 1 year or even Draisatl + a pick for him for 1 year?
- Kevin R

If Karlsson is stupid enough to waive to come here, I don't want him

Just a peripheral comment here but Tkachuk had more PP time per game than McDavid did last year (2:59/gm Vs 2:58/gm). He was a regular on the PP.
- MaximumBone

He did get top power play time in the second half of the year before he got injured. I really have to question your stats a bit. Early in the year he got some 2nd PP time but that doesnt add up to having more than McDavid. I went to many games & know that he was not on the top PP in the months of Oct, Nov & Dec. How he has more than McDavid is kind of mind boggling, I dont watch Oiler games if the Flames arent playing them, I am shocked. And your coach is still there??????